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  1. "Word of the Day (/week/hour/etc)" Widget/ticker (3)
  2. "Cheat sheets" (4)
  3. Ways to make Lojban addicting via games? (3)
  4. Guess the story (0)
  5. Lojban Language Proficiency Test (3)
  6. Lojban for young learners - simple wikipedia (0)
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  8. Lojban immersion (3)
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13846 No.11   [Reply]

A widget/ticker that, at assigned intervals during the day, popped up a random Lojban word (either within a specified set of words or not) would be very useful.

>> No.29  
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102585

Perhaps Word of the Day by e-mail, a la Dictionary.com's Word of the Day?

Advantages are

  • cross platform from the word go,
  • less complex (than writing an application for a platform) and thus
  • less subject to bugs,
  • in a familiar format (X of the Day),
  • easy to “uninstall”; just unsubscribe,
  • if the Word of the Day is also on the Lojban site, it can be accessed from anywhere without having to login to one's inbox.

Disadvantages are

  • it would have to be at least daily, hourly would be spamming,
  • isn't a “desktop presence” of Lojban; that is, Lojbanic software in your every day work,
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>> No.38  

There's an awesome Word of the Day project at http://valsi.blogspot.com/

>> No.40  

>>38
Indeed, that blog is brilliant. If you want to bookmark just the latest word of the week, I recommend:

http://valsi.blogspot.com/search?max-results=1

:)



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66583 No.8   [Reply]

Cheat sheets are usually sheets of key reference information that can be placed somewhere to see it on a daily basis, thus making the information internalized. The most common of these, from what I know, is the poster of the periodic table. If someone makes a Lojban Language Proficiency Test, what should come afterward are cheat sheets that people can use as a desktop wallpaper, poster on their wall, pull-out in their binder, etc. to constantly expose them to Lojban knowledge.

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>> No.36  

>>35

> But it's also more useful if it's usefully limited. If we had some sort of organized progression of lessons, we could make cheat sheets to go with the lessons; that would be the most directly useful .ia

That goes very well with the idea of the Lojban proficiency test, also mentioned in /ideas/.

>> No.37  

>>36

Yeah, there's a test to pass, certain knowledge you have to know, and organizations of that knowledge into things like cheat sheets. The basic problem is breaking it down into chunks; once we've got the chunks we can teach them in all different media.

I'm starting a Color School (la skari ckule), which has a very basic curriculum: You learn the names of the twelve colors: blanu, xunre, pelxu, zirpu, narju, crino, blabi, xekri, grusi, bunre, nukni, cicna. Twey already made a beautiful cheat sheet for this class: http://jbotcan.org/jbo/src/1208676033595.png

>> No.39  

>>37

> The basic problem is breaking it down into chunks; once we've got the chunks we can teach them in all different media.

By "chunks" do you mean subject matter or grammatical matter? I would assume you could use most language books as a reference for how to structure the subject matter.



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187746 No.22   [Reply]

(Matt Arnold has gone over this here: http://matt-arnold.livejournal.com/222571.html with his contribution being "LojbanQuest")

One thing I've noticed is that there's a certain type of gamer that gets very competitive when a game has leaderboards, even in minor games such as flash games. Flash games, especially those developed by companies like Persuasive Games ( http://www.persuasivegames.com ) are an excellent way to introduce new learners to the language. If there was an addictive, Lojban-based flash game that also had leaderboards, I think you would see the number of Lojban learners skyrocket. Who else is interested in this?

>> No.30  

Well, I know Flash and ActionScript, the rest (leaderboards) is cake. I'll try to think of some interesting non-annoying ideas for games and get back to you.

>> No.32  

I think this could fit brilliantly with my idea of a Color Teaching Era (la skari ctuca cedra). I'm thinking of the various tetrisesque games where you need to match colors to clear them. It could start with the Lojban text for a color on a background of the color, so you could start playing without recognizing any of the words. As you got to higher levels, there would be occasional blocks with only the label and/or the colors would get dimmer and harder to distinguish. Then at the highest levels, the blocks could have only the rafsi.

>> No.33  

One game that might work well is a hunting flash game, where you kill and/or capture animals of all classes by using Lojban words as bait, weapons, or equipment.



No.31   [Reply]

Perhaps there could be a site which displays short translated stories and one has to guess what the story is.

E.g. the meat story would be amusing: http://www.atheistalliance.org/aaw/MEAT.htm



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32254 No.6   [Reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A0ny%C7%94_Shu%C7%90p%C3%ADng_K%C7%8Eosh%C3%AC

Lojban needs one of these. The HSK is an excellent test of Chinese language prificiency that covers beginner, intermediate and advanced levels of Lojban knowledge.

Additionally, there are a set of characters/words that are designated by levels, such as the HSK Level A. The LLG could designate what aspects of the language take priority over others and order the levels accordingly.

A test like this would be extremely helpful, especially when determining how knowledgeable someone is in Lojban on the internet so you can make corrections that are at their level, for example.

>> No.12  

This is a very interesting idea! Additionally, it might also be useful so that people can judge how much advanced Lojban should be used when talking to someone else.

If a text test was devised of this nature, me or I'm sure someone else would happily implement this as an interactive online test.

>> No.23  

do want.

>> No.25  

>>6

OP here. I shouldn't have wrote this in the morning on four hours of sleep before coffee. I don't know how that second "Lojban" in the first sentence got there!



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21081 No.10   [Reply]

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban

There are a lot of young, impressionable people below the age of 12 using the internet. Expanding the simple wikipedia page substantially with very simplified and easy-to-understand descriptions of how the language works would allow a bunch of potential younger Lojbanists to get turned on to the language.



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81222 No.7   [Reply]

Street art is an excellent way to get a message out simply because of the massive number of people who view a given work, and if talented artists that also speak a little Lojban could get the permission to do legal street art it would definitely help Lojban reach a mass group of people and not the isolated status it has now.



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252669 No.2   [Reply]

As far as I know, this isn't something that's done very often with constructed languages. I've seen this done with the natural languages I'm learning, though.

There's several ways that students can be immersed in a language. The easiest way would be "Lojban camp"--exactly what it sounds like if you're from the US and familiar with the "____ camp" term. In other words, it's a place you would spend a few weeks at to be around lots of other people who want to learn the language. It doesn't have to be a "camp" in the sense of being in the outdoors, and in fact could be in a modern, high-tech building if the organizers though that was suitable.

The other option is some kind of "language immersion" program within a school. One of the universities I have applied to does this; you live in a dorm where everyone else speaks the language you're taking and takes the same classes you do. Presumably, your roommate is learning this language as well. They take it a step further by allowing you to speak with your fellow language learners only in that language.

Finally, there's the possibility of setting up "Lojban schools" in various areas across the world. I knew a guy in high school that went to "Chinese schools" every Sunday where he would learn about Chinese language and culture. Additionally, there's a "Confucius institute" that serves essentially this purpose except on an international scale.

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23900

Of course, this kind of commitment to learning a language is only worth something if you can use it. This is why I really need to encourage a personal friend to use it, because, although the Lojban people are mostly nice people, often the only thing I have in common with them is that we are both interested in Lojban, it's not like we would be friends otherwise. So I really need to get one of my friends to learn it.

Also, /jbo/ is supposed to be immersion but there is not much to talk about -- you're not going to bother bringing something up if you don't have to because it's such hard work, and is usually met with corrections (from people acting in good faith, of course).

I have just completed a 10 week British Sign Language course and that was easy enough, once a week on Tuesday. I have an okay grasp and confidence that I could learn any language with commitment. The trouble is that I don't know any deaf people, never mind deaf friends so I am finding it difficult being motivated.

I have a friend who at one time was interested in learning Latin with me, like our own little club language (juvenile, yes). But that kind of fun could be applied to Lojban. I just have to get back into contact with him...

>> No.4  

>>3

I actually started a club of about 8 people for Lojban at my university, where we would get together every week for an hour and learn something from Lojban For Beginners. This is where the LLG can come in, because I had the opportunity to say if I was "affiliated with any national organization" or something to that extent and was tempted to put the LLG.

I think the solution to that might be "Lojban awareness" where the goal is simply to make Lojban as known as possible, even if people don't necessarily have an interest in it. Establishing some kind of lobby or interest group that persuades universities to have courses on Lojban would be a huge step up. I've seen some really obscure (from a layman's standpoint) natural languages in large universities such as UT, so I don't think they wouldn't be open to the idea of a Lojban course.

>> No.5  

>>4

> I actually started a club of about 8 people for Lojban at my university, where we would get together every week for an hour and learn something from Lojban For Beginners.

That's pretty sweet.

> I think the solution to that might be "Lojban awareness" where the goal is simply to make Lojban as known as possible, even if people don't necessarily have an interest in it.

Learning it as a second language in the name of internationalism could be interesting... I don't really know how this persuading universities to do courses stuff works, but if you can pull something like that off, I'd like to hear about it.



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174295 No.1   [Reply]

Go go go go go!

>> No.13  

Wow, lots of ideas here.



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