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No.257   [Reply]

I know, for me, the most prominent reason is that I like knowing anything that others do not but about which I may share my knowledge.



No.251   [Reply]

For those who adamantly refuse to accept the notion that point nine repeating is equal to the number one, should Lojban contain a cmavo for "end repeating decimal". This would mean that anything inbetween [zo ra'e] and this new cmavo repeats infinitely, forever pushing anything after the new cmavo (which does not repeat) further back in the decimal.

I know that it mathematically does not make sense, but it really would help in conversations/arguments.

But, perhaps, if Lojban was incapable of discussign such a notion, the virus would not be able to breed/spread- which would help us all. :)

>> No.252  

Well, there are words for "cold", "dark", and "dry". But those have restrictors and/or standards. And, they may be more useful, as evidenced by their ubiquity in human language. But this may be helpful. Does not do any real harm except use up "cmavo space". And, Lojban is meant to be a logical language. Those other examples were more scientific.

What does this mean? What is the consensus? I do not know.

>> No.256  

I say do not do it. It does not make sense (for a non-mathematical example if you want to say ".9999 ... 1", you cannot get to the "one" no matter how long you have. The sequence supposedly ends (and does not end!), but you cannot get there). Plus, as you said, it hopefully will not allow people to think up such nonsense. Of course, Lojban is meant to be "fully expressive"; and if one is not made now, it probably will be made in the future. Perhaps.

You can also use the same argument against ".999 ...", except that everyone knows that "it does not end" when it is put into a string of decimals (just a pi does not end when put into a string of decimals, they both equal a finite number ("1" and the pi sign respectively) but 'may' be expressed in never ending form).

That is just my two pence.



No.246   [Reply]

So where is it going? Should it be purely attitudinal as Cniban dictates or integrated emotion as Cniglic has precedented? I am tempted to say that, personally, the latter is more useful in everyday life. However, I know that the other highly expresive, would help a lot, and may be used in many things (such as poetry).

Maybe we should use both. Maybe Cniban is a related aspect of the language and they are to be used/learned together for the fullest effect? Your thoughts?

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>> No.249  

Hook us up with a link? I want to read about these

>> No.250  

>>249

http://community.livejournal.com/cniglic

>> No.255  

>>246

I found the old lesson design to be helpful. However, the new ones might be useful as well, I just have not had much experience with them.

Please continue both.



No.253   [Reply]

I am convinced that if you want people to learn and be fluent in Lojban, mimicing the site design of thesixtyone.com might be a good idea what with its level system.

>> No.254  

Care to elaborate?



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2820 No.190   [Reply]

What is this lazily tableted mess?
If you guessed "the very latest in hare-brained fancy-pants writing systems for lojban" then you're totally correct.
More news as it develops.

Oekaki post (Time: 22 min, Painter: Shi Normal)

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>> No.220  

Last I checked, no one was "forcing" anything. Chill Winstan.

>> No.243  

>>219

> It's not as if lojban isn't limited enough

Please explain.

>> No.247  

>>243

[.ie]

It is kin dof ironic that the possibly most expressive and unrestrictive language ever thought up is/may be seen as limited. Not saying that it is not, but I believe that, although interest is currently low by natlang standards, (as may be evidenced on these "forums") it is rising swiftly. We number small for now, but I expect this to change- it is just the typical process by which any good conlang grows (the community has to begin small).



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147865 No.68   [Reply]

I just read this page: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojbanimation

I think it's a great idea but i think using anime and not machinima would be much better. It's the actual style of Japanese animation that is so cultish and draws people to the language.

I believe it would be legal for us to create lojban dubs since nobody offers that but it might be hard to do.

Creating our own anime we could use http://ktoon.toonka.com/ or http://www.synfig.org/

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Contact me to arrange a meeting inworld. My email is cyril [@] slobin [.] pp [.] ru (sorry, jbotcan seems to be afraid on unmangled emails), or send me IM inworld (I am Cyril Svoboda there). Just in case you read this note a short time after I've wrote it, I am planning to be inworld after two hours (near 14:30 GMT).

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Loglanists (not Lojbanists!) in Second Life. And your truly among them. Not a very good shot, but worth posting nevertheless. A quote from one of the participants: ''I like practicing Loglan in the SL env because one can talkg about things in th environment. in a chat channel your shared reality is just words''

>> No.245  

>>244
True, it can be difficult to think of topics on IRC.



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No.228   [Reply]

uicoi

Here's a transcription utility for lakmir's new writing system. (zbalermorna)

Place the zbalerTERxra.ttf file in the same directory as the jar file (ttf file downloadable below) and then execute the following command:
java -ea -jar zbalerTERxra.jar

Comments are welcome. :-)

No warrenty of any kind.

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>> No.240  
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.i ki'e la'oi Anonymus e la donri

>> No.241  

>>229

For some reason I cannot get the .ttf file to extract from the .bz2. I get a file, but it's "1221438269286". No extension. If I add a ".ttf" and try to open it, I receive a message the file is not a valid .ttf one. Any thoughts (on this)?

>> No.242  

>>241

You should no longer download the old ttf file.
Just download the lates release (build 18 the second) and extract it as explained at build 17; it includes a separate .ttf file of the font.



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53513 No.235   [Reply]

This thread is for ideas/development/help about lojbot.

>> No.237  

Reminder to self: notifications of posts and stuff.

>> No.238  

Also, document new lojbot a bit.



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80179 No.227   [Reply]

If you have any suggestions/corrections, please tell me.

>> No.231  

Very helpful.
I just recently thought about making a ZAhO
list for myself. I always got these cmavo confused..

Maybe, adding a description line for co'i would be useful.

Good work!

>> No.232  

Yes, nice work. :) More?

>> No.233  

>>231

> Maybe, adding a description line for co'i would be useful.

What do you have in mind? I wanted to keep the text short.

>>232
I'd love to, but as you might have figured already, I am not that much of an artist.

What other selma'o do you think are suitable for visual representation? FAhA would be possible, I guess.



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144496 No.207   [Reply]

Next update will be text explaining some of the new features like full vowels, and semivowels.
Any images not in this thread are now OUT OF DATE.
I have deleted some older images that no longer apply.

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>> No.215  

Don't freak out. Most punctuation here is totally optional. All except the single stress marker, that is, which is what you'd use as you would capital letters to mark nonstandard stress in nonlojban words.

All other marks are for transcribing speech dynamics, in fiction for dramatic effect, for example. None of them are meant to change the interpretation or meaning of the actual sentence.

Ba'ebu
The stress marker has three stages, which work on a relative scale. One dot loosely represents the difference between a normal unstressed lojban syllable and a normal stressed lojban syllable. Therefore you can play it by ear a little using the double and triple ba'ebu, for example to stress an entire world without ruining the stress pattern, use single ba'e on the unstressed syllables and double ba'e on the stressed syllable. Or perhaps a shorter method would be to use double on the stressed syllable and leave the rest, just to give it a bit more emphasis. The doesn't supercede the use of the actual word {ba'e}, as the ba'ebu dot is only for transcribing speech dynamics.

Stretching
The horizontal underline denotes pronouncing a syllable longer than normal. The line from a mid-word syllable should extend to underneath the next syllable, or at the end of the word it should finish before the next word. This is simply a visual aid, because technically even if you accidentally run the line too long you can still parse the sentence. Theres also a second way to write it (see diagram posted after this block) where the line runs under the rest of the letters for as long as you like, without introducing unnecessary space between characters. While this method is neater, it kind of defeats the intuitiveness of the marking because you have to look ahead to see how long the stretch is. Writer's discretion I guess.

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Minor changes, updates and proposals.
Some glyphs have been tweaked in non-fundamental ways as well (not illustrated)

>> No.223  
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This system is now known as zbalermorna, for assembling-letter-patterns.



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