Also, is "fi'o broda be [BAI] da" possible?

{la'o zoi Le Petit Prince zoi} is a sumti, referring to the thing named "Le Petite Prince". So in that way it's much more like {la cmalu noltru} than {le cmalu noltru}. I think in reality, it's the name of a book, which isn't the sort of thing that can travel, but in lojban anything can be named. {la'o lojbo. binxo .lojbo spuda} (aside from the fact that you could just say {la binxo cu spuda}

>>608

"I think in reality, it's the name of a book"

The name is the "zoi ... zoi" part. The "la'o ..." as a whole is the book itself. Right?

Also: Is "la nu .klam." valid?

NU takes a bridi and converts it into a selbri, "x1 is [some particular abstraction about] [the bridi]". So {la nu .klam.} isn't valid, because {nu .klam.} isn't valid, because {.klam.} is a cmevla, it's not a bridi. But {la nu broda} would be a valid name (not a cmevla, but a selbri-tail name).

>>602

danlu = basic animal. Any living organism that is heterotrophic and is composed of many eukaryotic cells.

nalremda'u = beast/animal (considers humans not to be an animal- as if we are better then others).

nalpreda'u = beast/animal (applies to any sentient.. thing that is being thought as humans speciffically were prior).

>>580 I was always imagined a mother who realizes that her son has again ignored her command. "What have I said you to do?", said she, assuming not only the son will answer the question, but also he'll comply at last.

>>583

Huh. I hadn't considered that. Interesting interpretation.

>>568

"Make it so that you did what?!"

Possible use of an interrobang.

Yeah, I'm even an American and I hate that pronunciation. It's Yulius Kaisar, guys.

I love it, too, when someone stares at me blankly when I inform them that Latin didn't have a dj sound. "What about Julius Caeser, huh?" facepalm

>>576

Does it really mean "here and now of the speaker" or just "now of the speaker"?

>>599

Are you asking whether it means location? I would say that it does. Think of spacetime's malleability. "Now" can really only be referenced by something's "here" at the time of "now" (I like to call it "nowhere" or "now-here" but both would be slightly ambiguous and not too helpful nowhere) and vice-versa. It kind of cyclical, but hey- it is what it is.

>>589

A "half-truth" is a statement that is technically true but deceiving, because it omits some relvant information.

>>571

1) If you mean je'u/je'unai/je'upei, you use them like all indicators. You can put them in front of the proposition whose truth/falsity you want to indicate, or you can put them immediately after the element you want to focus on.

2) xu and je'upei are very similar in meaning, so the latter is not really used much. Normally a xu question will be answered with "go'i" or "na go'i", while a je'upei question would probably be answered with je'u or je'unai.

3) I'd say "xadba jetnu". The truth-value should be the same as for a true statement, because technically a half-truth is a truth. You could however use na'i in response to a half-truth to indicate that there is something fishy going on.

>>571

Maybe [zo (mal)ticyjetnu] for "half-truth"?

>>590

The "dot" here represents a pause. If the pause was not there, then the last consonent of the cmevla would/may run into the next word. For example: "[la martin. a'o citka lo plise]" would become "[la marti na'o citka lo plise]". Or: "[la bab. ractu]" would be "[la ba bractu].

Plus there's the other, totally impractical, reason: That it makes our language even weirder looking! We've already got abundant use of X, weird word shapes, lots of apostrophes. So we take it to the next level with a bunch of periods and even COMMAS. Oh yeah baby! If you are looking for an alien looking language for a comic book, have we got your thing! Klingon's uppercasing, oh yeah sO LeEt DudEZ. Come on we're where it's at.

zo'o mi'e .sel,kik.

>>596

I'm wondering about the comma in ".sel,kik". Isn't it supposed to be used between vowels?

>>584

Does du'u have a place structure? How does this work with se?

What do you mean by "zo du'u"? What about the word is interesting? Its meaning or usage? Its spelling/sounding? Its history? I am asking this because I want to figure out how zo works.

>>586

Yes, du'u has a place structure - si'o, nu and the other NU also do:

du'u NU bridi abstract

                abstractor: predication/bridi abstractor; x1 is
                predication [bridi] expressed in sentence x2

si'o NU concept abstract

                abstractor: idea/concept abstractor; x1 is x2's
                concept of [bridi]

nu NU event abstract

                abstractor: generalized event abstractor; x1 is

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>>586

"zo" is just a one-word quote, which means that it turns the next word into a reference to that word. zo plise == the word "plise", for instance: "zo plise is a five letter word." it's very convenient and i often miss it in english (or import it, in lojbanic circles!)

many things about zo du'u are interesting to me! it's an interesting semantics, but it's even more interesting how the jbopre relate to it. people are always asking about zo du'u and getting weird explanations.

ok so about the place structure and using it with 'se'. it's pretty simple really. the first place of zo du'u is a proposition, and the second place is an expression of that proposition. so:

lo fatci ku du'u mi citka lo badna kei lu lo badna mi se citka li'u

Oh no, seeing that sentence through your eyes makes me regret saying that it's simple. :) But let's just take it apart into three parts:

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The terms are a little obscure. Cardinal numbers are what you'd consider "normal" numbers: "one", "two", "three", etc. They're used for the number of things in a collection. {mei} converts a number into a selbri that asserts that the cardinality (the number of elements) in its arguments (a mass, a set, and the elements themselves, in that order). So {le bende cu mu mei} is saying "the team has five members".

Ordinals are the numbers that indicate where in a sequence something is: "first", "second", "third", "last", etc. {moi} does a similar thing to {mei}, but it creates an ordinal selbri. That is, it tells you where in a particular sequence an element occurs.