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No.663   [Reply]

What does "klama mi zo'e zo'e zo'e zo'e" mean?

What is the difference between ".uinaicai" and ".uicainai"?

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>> No.694  

>>679

Can I non-error-quote only cnivla?

>> No.695  

>>686

I like your interpretation.

>> No.698  

>>694

"lu ... li'u" can be used to quote anything that is by itself a grammatical text (including the empty string, BTW).



No.675   [Reply]

How is "ju'e" used?

>> No.685  

You can use it anywhere you could put a JOI, to non-logically connect two things without specifying the exact relationship. I can't think of any good examples right now.

>> No.688  

>>685

I'm confused about its official definition saying 'analogous to plain ".i"'. Does that mean that "ju'e" can connect sentences without a "bo"?

>> No.691  

>>688

The analogy is meant to be semantic, not syntactic. Connection with "ju'e" has the same semantic import as connection with ".i", i.e. nothing more than juxtaposition.

".i JOI", without BO, is a valid sentence connective BTW, so ".i ju'e" can connect sentences, but it doesn't really add anything to plain ".i".



No.671   [Reply]

Can "le" after an outer "ro", without an inner quantifier, be omitted, like "lo"? Can "ro gerku" possibly be read as "ro le gerku"?

>> No.683  

No. A quantifier without a LE/LA is always interpreted as the outer quantifier on a "lo". "ro gerku" therefore means "ro lo ro gerku", "All-of those-which-really-are all dog(s)", or just "All dogs".



No.660   [Reply]

How do you say "la .bil.klintn. xo moi lo'i merja'a" in English?

>> No.662  

"Which president was Bill Clinton?"



No.655   [Reply]

How does one say "did you see if your light was on before you left?"?

>> No.656  

How about "do viska le do dirce xu tergu'i pu'o le nu do cliva"? Or ".i pau do viska le do seldicfle xu tergu'i pu'o lenu do pu cliva"?

>> No.657  

>>655

Not sure if your doubt is about how to say on/off, or "if" in the sense of "whether", or something else.

For on/off I normally use cikna/cando (not just lights, but anything that can be on/off). For if/whether you can use "xu kau". So I would say something like:

xu do viska lo nu xu kau lo do tergu'i cu cikna kei pu lo nu do cliva

>> No.661  

This is kind of interesting. Three possible words for "on" have been given: dirce, seldicfle, and cikna. Dirce ("radiating") is probably too specific, since it applies only to light emitters. (I suppose that could include radio transmitters, microwave ovens, and x-ray machines, or even heaters, stoves, and ovens.) Seldicfle ("is a destination for electric current", or "is powered") is useful for any device powered by electricity. Cikna ("awake") is far too metaphorical, since a light-bulb could hardly be said to be awake/alert/concious. Cando ("inactive/not moving") is also troublesome as a way of saying a light-bulb is off, since we normally don't think of light-bulbs as moving no matter whether they are on or off.

Another way of asking this question is "do viska tu'a xu ledo tergu'i pu lenu do cliva", which is a shorter way of writing "do viska lenu xu ledo tergu'i cu co'e kei pu lenu do cliva", "Did you see whether your light was doing something before you left?"

>>657

You should probably be using "le" instead of "lo" in a couple of places. The speaker is probably thinking of a specific light and certainly thinking of a specific event of leaving. Translating your Lojban back to English, I would probably come up with "Have you seen any of your lights on before you've left?".



No.629   [Reply]

Words have a subtley different meaning in different contexts. IS their anyway to say this in Lojban? Can one say "X, which in this context is a word meaning Y,..."? I have though about using clauses, "du", "valsi", sumtcita, amongst other options, but none seem to work very well (the best were the clauses and sumtcita).

>> No.630  

Maybe:

X noi va'o dei valsi Y cu ...

>> No.659  

The brodV series exists for this.



No.647   [Reply]

How does one elide a number-date-designation-thing in "detri"? For example, "le pa pi'e ... pi'e pa pi'e renonobi detri"? Did I even use "le" correctly? How is "le pa pi'e pa pi'e pa pi'e pa" different with the week elided?

>> No.652  

You should definitely use "li" for numbers.

If you want to be completely unambiguous, fill one of the places with the null number "tu'o":
"li pa pi'e tu'o pi'e pa pi'e renonobi detri"

If you're willing to tolerate a little ambiguity, leave out the week entirely:
"li pa pi'e pa pi'e renonobi detri"

>> No.658  
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Despite the suggestion in the definition, I have typically used ISO date format for detri:

li renonobi pi'e pare pi'e ci cu detri



No.653   [Reply]

In fu'ivla, can one use buffer consanents not in the order that I have seen before (r, n, l)?

cidjlkari
banglnipono
danlrnanimal
finpnloxtapode

>> No.654  

>>653

I mean "danlrnanimala".



No.648   [Reply]

How can I delimit the scope of "cei"? For example, how can I assaign to "broda" only the middle two BRIVLA in "melbi blanu bo xamsi daplu"?

>> No.651  

Perhaps "melbi ke blanu xamsi cei broda ke'e daplu"? I'm not sure this is legal though, because cei assignments are supposed to carry the arguments along.

http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c7/s5.html#e5d6



No.649   [Reply]

How does one ask what operation something is? For 2_2=5 would it be "li re ma'omo re du mu"?

>> No.650  

li re na'u mo re du mu

http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c18/s19.html#e19d4



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