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No.564   [Reply]

What are the number words (ex. mei/cardinal) and what do they mean? In plain English, if you please- I do not know what cardinal means.

Thx,

Craito

>> No.585  

The terms are a little obscure. Cardinal numbers are what you'd consider "normal" numbers: "one", "two", "three", etc. They're used for the number of things in a collection. {mei} converts a number into a selbri that asserts that the cardinality (the number of elements) in its arguments (a mass, a set, and the elements themselves, in that order). So {le bende cu mu mei} is saying "the team has five members".

Ordinals are the numbers that indicate where in a sequence something is: "first", "second", "third", "last", etc. {moi} does a similar thing to {mei}, but it creates an ordinal selbri. That is, it tells you where in a particular sequence an element occurs.



No.565   [Reply]

What does du'u mean?

>> No.570  

http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c11/s7.html

>> No.584  

"du'u" is an abstractor, which means that it takes an embedded bridi and then refers to something about that bridi. "nu" refers to the event of the bridi happening. "si'o" refers to an idea of the bridi as had by some thinker. "du'u" refers to the very fact of the bridi, the fact that (such and such).

lo nu mi klama le zarci [kei] [ku] = an event of "i go to the store"... lo nu mi klama le zarci cu fasnu (i go to the store is a fasnu, it happens.. it's an event)

lo si'o mi klama le zarci [kei] [ku] = an idea of "i go to the store".. mi te sidbo fi lo si'o mi klama le zarci (i have an idea of me going to the store)

lo du'u mi klama le zarci [kei] [ku] = the very fact that i go to the store.. xu do krici lo du'u mi klama le zarci (do you believe the fact "i go to the market"?) .i mi djuno lo du'u zo du'u cu cinri (i know the fact that "the word du'u is interesting")

Most gismu about believing or knowing or whatever will have a "du'u" place. If you know that I went to the store, you don't actually know the event itself of me going to the store. You don't know the idea of me going, either, you think the idea of me going. What you do to my going is to know the fact of it, the du'u of it.

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No.568   [Reply]

Why is the background like that? What does it mean? Did I miss an inside joke or something?

How would I make it repeat infinitely ("I said "I said "I said "I said...)? The decimal repeator marker?

>> No.580  
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It's fairly untranslatable because it's both a question and an imperative command. I think it is generally assumed to mean that in response one performs an action and then describes it.

>> No.583  

>>580 I was always imagined a mother who realizes that her son has again ignored her command. "What have I said you to do?", said she, assuming not only the son will answer the question, but also he'll comply at last.



No.573   [Reply]

Why did they have to be called jeks?

>> No.579  

Be prepared to facepalm:

historical reasons.

http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c14/s3.html

>> No.582  

oh man, we should have avoided the legacy of lohglan and start fresh with completely new words for concepts and word classes, so we won't be restrained in our thoughts and conquer the universe at the speed of light!

now it's all for naught :(



No.566   [Reply]

What do the ungrammatical quotes mean and when are they used?

>> No.581  

{lo'u .. le'u} quotes Lojban words that may or may not be grammatical. As I have observed it used, it is used to quote partial and incomplete sentences, or when in doubt about the grammatical validity of an utterance.



No.575   [Reply]

Should there be something that specifically marks story-time? What if I said somehting like "Brutus now decided to kill Caesar" in response to a question. Obviously, "now" does not mean my "now". How would I say that without the ambiguity of who's time it is?

Should I use to/toi?

>> No.576  

"nau" is for the here&now of the speaker.

"ca" is what you want for the "now" that means "then", "at that time". You can use it as a sumti tcita to give more precision: "ca la'e di'u", "at the same time that happened", or "ca lo nu go'i".

la .brutus. cu jdice lo du'u catra la .kaisar.
la .brutus. ca jdice lo du'u catra la .kaisar.
la .brutus. ca la'e di'u cu jdice lo du'u catra la .kaisar.

>> No.577  

>>576

The cool thing about [zo <<nau] is that it sounds like "now" for the Enlgish speaker.

I am happy that you Lojbanized "Caesar" correctly, too. It annoys me greatly whenever people say (using Lojban's system) "sizr".

>> No.578  

Yeah, I'm even an American and I hate that pronunciation. It's Yulius Kaisar, guys.

I love it, too, when someone stares at me blankly when I inform them that Latin didn't have a dj sound. "What about Julius Caeser, huh?" facepalm



No.574   [Reply]

How does the conenctive system work. THe reference grammar is too complicated.

I especially have trouble with .onai and .anai along with the JOI-like words.



No.572   [Reply]

How do jai/fai work?



No.571   [Reply]

1) How does one use the truth-value indicator (both in question form and statement)?

2) What is the difference between this and xu?

3) How does one say "half-truth"? What would its truth-value be?



No.567   [Reply]

What are all the Lojbanic negatives (such as: na, nai, na'e) and how are they used?

>> No.569  

http://www.lojban.org/no/publications/reference_grammar/chapter15.html



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